Wharfedale W70 Offshoot
| This project is the
result of a modification done to a W70 to tame the upper mid-range along
with a few other mods that came close to redesigning the whole
system. Fortunately, originality was mostly maintained but
curiosity prevailed.
That modification can be seen HERE During the original mod, it was suggested to replace the mid-range unit from the original 10" to a six inch unit. The unit chosen, considering performance and cost was the Visaton BG17 The initial mod was in a cabinet of dimensions similar to those of the W70 and the same internal volume. (Photo 1, lower left) It then came to mind to use the same method used in the W90, whereby two 5" units were used for mid-range and two Super 3 units for the treble in a horizontal T-M-M-T array. Initially there was no intent to add padding to this chamber, in compliance with the W90. That would later change. |
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original mid-range and tweeter chamber under test. The chamber
internal volume is set to properly load the 6" unit to 400hz in the
event a front baffle was or had to be installed.
The offset was done for two reasons. One, the lesser significant of the two was to provide a wider sound stage, for all the additional nine inches or sp would provide. The second and of more significance was to lower possible response irregularities due to symmetry. |
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PHOTO 2
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shows the completed system during test in the music room. Photo 4,
in the living room.
In photo 3, the woofer is a Peerless 315SWR, code 831857; in photo 4, the woofer is a Wharfedale W12RS. A comparison between the two woofers was being implemented. (See addendum at the bottom of this page) The Peerless doesn't perform well in such a small vented box; 6ft^3 is about the tolerable limit without trimming the bass with the pre-amp bass control. In 3ft^3, it can get boomy very quickly. See the yellow trace in figure 7(at the bottom of the page in the addendum) which shows a 4dB peak spread between 45hz and 75hz For 3ft^3, the closed box seems the best compromise. It can handle 150w to below 20hz without exceeding Xmax
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PHOTO 4
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| FIGURE 1
W12RS RED=no filter; BLACK=with 4mh filter This doesn't show a true first order slope but there are good reasons for this. First of all, a filter works best in a stable load and a loudspeaker's load is anything but stable. The impedance (load) is wandering every which way but loose and may even include loose. Humor aside, there are also transverse waves propagating through the cone material and these are the reason for the high frequency response of woofers, despite their high voice coil inductance and mass loading of the moving part of the system. S second order low pass filter at about 300hz to 400hz would very likely be better but remember, this design is a result of modifying a Wharfedale W70 for another fella; the main intent was to remove the brightness from the upper midrange. The use of the BG17 to replace the 10" unit was an option. That peak, about an octave wide and several dB in amplitude was found to be caused by the full range use of the 10" unit. Two notch filters were required to remove that peak and these filters were found to work best if placed at the main input, affecting all three speakers. |
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| FIGURE 2
1w1m RED=BG17; BLUE=Super3 with 4uf HP filter-s The BG17 isn't low pass filtered; it will reproduce the highs as far up as it can. Admittedly, the upper register is a little bright but the potentiometers take care of that. The pads could have been omitted and the low pass filter added to obtain a similarly flat response but this would not allow the listener to adjust these two registers. The pre-amp treble control would affect mostly the tweeter. This arrangement gives the listener three methods of adjustment, the two pots and the treble control allowing the upper register to be increased or decreased in numerous ways to obtain many results.
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| FIGURE 3
BLACK=W12RS with 4mh filter; GREY=W12RS without 4mh filter Full system response in living room. Mid-range and tweeter pots at 4 o'clock and 3:30 o'clock, resp. to show the effect of the woofer filter on the system response. The wide peak centered around 2200hz will will impart a strident sound with some music. The 2dB to 3dB rise between 200hz and 700hz may impart a low frequency exaggeration in male voices.
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| FIGURE 4
1w1m W12RS living room, crossover fig 6, mid and twt L-pads about 4 o'clock and 3-30 o'clock, resp. GREEN=pads FULL CW.jpg RED=with wool; BLACK=without wool GREEN with wool and pads full CW After adding the wool and listening to the same song under the same conditions, I couldn't ascertain if the subtle sonic difference I heard was due to an actual difference or bias expectation, so these response curves were then performed. Since there is a difference, it's safe to negate bias expectation. I could get a friend to perform a blind test but two cabinets for the wool would need to be placed side by side. That way, I wouldn't know from which cabinet the wool was removed as pulling out the wool will certainly make sounds thus giving me a clue to his action. |
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| FIGURE 5
BLUE=living room; BLACK=music room, 1w1m all settings equal in both rooms and as described in fig.4 These two response curves were added to show the effect of two different rooms |
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FIGURE 6 W70SF crossover (modified) First order to keep it simple although not as simple as Jeff's W70, which had only the woofer low pass filter and the tweeter high pass filter. The ten inch unit in that system was running full range and had no level control. It should be noted here that the original crossover in Jeff's W70 units has the 4mh low pass filter in the woofer section and the 4uf high pass filter in the tweeter section along with a 50W pad. The ten inch unit operates full range. . These potentiometers (pots/pads) are not L-pads despite that they resemble such due to the schematic. They are a high quality wire-wound pot about an inch in diameter and if they are as good as those used in the wood boxed Wharfedale crossovers of the fifties, they'll last for decades without having to be cleaned, after which they'll last for more decades. Jeff's W70 had such a pad in the tweeter circuit and after removal and a good alcohol soaking, the device performed as expected. While such a pot will upset the impedance more that a true L-pad and cause a slight crossover point shift, this is not worthy of concern. The response curves of fig 4 put that concern to rest. If one is very concerned about impedance variations due to L-pads, then perhaps they should use T-pads, or pi-pads or even H-pads. Such pads are not readily available but can be made. The L-pad requires two variable resistors, the T and pi pads will require 3 and the H will require 5. They can also be made with fixed resistors. An associate of mine from the nineties was one such person with impedance variation due to L-pads so, after designing the crossover, he tuned the mid and tweeter levels with fixed resistors, not as fixed L=pads but as a single series resistor to the speaker. So much for the concern about impedance variation. In our flagship design in the 90's, we used an MTM configuration with a second order crossover. This required reversing the mid section polarity. While that may be true for a single mid-range, the MTM configuration may be an exception. That system always seemed a little bright, so to speak. Years later, when the LMS was acquired, a response showed a nasty peak centered around 3khz and about an octave wide. Upon pulling the midrange units out, it was noticed that their polarity was reversed, so it was put back to conform the polarities of the woofer and tweeter. The peak dropped. In all the crossover design circuits I've seen in books written by engineers, no mention was made of polarity exception using two midrange units as per the MTM configuration. The transfer functions used for filter design seem to assume a single point source for each speaker and how their wavefronts interfere. It's similar to the assumption made about pressure wave amplitude decay following the inverse square law. That law assumes radiation into free space or an an anechoic chamber, there are no boundary reflections. In a reverberant field, such as a room, that law goes to hell in a handcart, PDQ. (Pretty Damned Quick) |
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ADDENDUM While this speaker has nothing to do with the Wharfedale W70, it was considered noteworthy of mention since is found its way into this offshoot. This was added February 4th weeks after the original posting. I wasn't to satisfied with the sound using the W12's as they have a higher frequency response than the Peerless, the latter having high inductance 4 layer voice coil (2.8mh) and also partly due to its polypropylene cone. Initially, a larger low pass filter for the woofer was considered but I decided to try the Peerless first. The graphs below show the results of various alignments in various enclosure sized. What was being watched was diaphragm excursion. One can tune a system to just about any frequency one desires but the vent will have a marked effect on diaphragm excursion. Below are a few examples in which the power was adjusted to determine the point at which Xmax will be exceeded. FIGURE 7 RED: 15ft^3 fb=21hz f3=19hz vent 3.862"D x 0.75"KL 70w to Xmax @ 47hz (BBP optimum vented) ORN: 6ft^3 fb=31hz f3=27hz 2 vents 3"D x 3.25"L 200w to Xmax @ 45hz after which excursion rises fast YEL: 3ft^3 fb=33hz f3=35hz 2 vents 2"D x 3"L 300w to Xmax @ 50hz after which the excursion rises extremely fast GRN: 11ft^3 closed f3=34hz 100w to Xmax @ 34hz; 60w to Xmax to below 20hz (BBP optimum closed) WHT: 3ft^3 closed f3=38hz 150w to Xmax to below 20hz
FIGURE 7 The colours of these curves correspond to those of figure 7 above Peerless gives Xmax for the 830669 as +/-8mm but doesn't specify that for the 831857. One can calculate this from physical magnet and coil length figures as +/-9mm. If one adds 1/3rd the plate thickness, Xmax becomes 11.667mm. Peerless uses an unusual method for measuring power handling. It is given as Max Linear SPL(rms)/by power and stated as dB/Watts, which is 110/170, meaning 110dB at 170 watts but no mention is made of the bandwidth. This set of curves is cone displacement at 170 watts. This figure was used due to the method used by Peerless (above). The bright part of the curves is the excursion within Xmax (8mm); the dull part is when Xmax is exceeded. Note the white and grey curve. At 170w and about 40hz, Xmax is exceeded until the frequency approaches 9hz, where it falls back within Xmax. All other traces increase to very high limits with exception of the green. If that system is kept within 60 watts, Xmax will stay below 8mm.
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Here are three data sheets for the Peerless. Two for the 831857 and one for the 830669. The 831857a is the most complete.
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model of this was found on Parts Express.
Peerless by Tymphany NE315W-08 12" Subwoofer
Here's some charts WHT: 831857 as above; PURPLE: 0.9 ft^3 closed f3=49hz; PINK: 3ft^3 vented fb=22 f3=27 2 vents 2"D x 4.5"L |
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| FIGURE 8
This fella is less than 3dB down at 30hz in a 3ft^3 vented enclosure |
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| FIGURE 9
In a 3ft^3 vented enclosure, it will stay within Xmax even at 190 watts input. This cghart is set for 170 watts to maintain the integrity of the white (831857) of figure 7 but even at its rated power handling of 190w, it stays within Xmax Price as of Feb 5, 2022 is $220 each and free shipping |
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| PHOTO 5
The pair in my living room. Both the mid and twt have 50W level pads. The mid and twt are isolated from the woofer and open (no baffle) as in the Wharfedale W90. See fig 6
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